RAW DOGMA                                                                           written by Nkrumah Steward

CIA outsourcing secret interrogations for terror suspects

An interrogation room is shown where detainees are interviewed at Camp Delta at the U.S. Naval Base Guantanamo Bay, Cuba July 28, 2004. On the floor in the center of the room is an eye bolt where detainees can be chained, if needed. Preparations are nearing completion on the Naval base for war crimes tribunals, the first held by the United States since the World War II era. The proceedings are expected to begin within months. U.S. military censors reviewed photographs from inside the prison.I see yet another opportunity for the United States to outsource more jobs to India.
I don’t think you have to be an incurable cynic to read that the CIA is being allowed to secretly transfer terror suspect overseas for interrogation and not know what that means.
As soon as you hear the words “secret” and “interrogation” in a sentence you should be able to connect the dots.
Personally, I am not against torture if it can be proven that the information you extract from torturing people is reliable.
If they are just telling you whatever to get you to release the pliers from their nuts, well, then what is the point?
The way I feel is that if torturing someone is going to get information that will save someone’s life, then go for it.
So shoot me, but I think the rule of the greater good is appropriate here.
With that said, I don’t believe in torturing people just to find out things that we are curious about.
Like you don’t torture people to find out where they hid a dead body. It’s dead.
You don’t torture people to find out where they buried treasure either.
As many of you know from reading my site I like the positions that people take, principles that people expose to live by to be at the absolute very least, consistent.
I don’t mean consistent as in like mandatory sentencing, but consistent as in being in agreement and compatible with the principles that you claim to represent.
Don’t talk about how poorly Saddam treated people in his jails, particularly if that is part of your argument as to why he was an unfit ruler and then you authorize beating the shit out of people in the very same Iraqi jails.
Don’t talk about how bad China is on human rights, specifically pointing to how they beat people’s asses to get information from them, if your doing the same thing, oh I’m sorry, you outsource people to do the same thing.
That might keep you out of hot water legally, but the only person you’re fooling is the law and she is blind.
Why I would be breaking the law if I took my cheating girlfriend over to some thugs house to beat a confession out of her but the government isn’t doing anything illegal to take someone to Nicaragua to essentially do the same thing is beyond me.
Be consistent, make torture legal. If you don’t like giving up the moral high ground to other countries on that issue, then don’t do it.
Just stop torturing people and then sending your white house spin doctor to stand in front of us and lie about it.
White House Communications Director Dan Bartlett immediately denied that Dubya is allowing the United States to practice “export torture” but they were quick to point out that this practice began in the Clinton administration where it wasn’t a secret that terror suspects were being shipped off to countries where they “don’t have the same legal system we have”.
Ok, so Clinton did it too. So what is your point?
According to Michael Scheuer a former CIA agent, the CIA is dealing with some “very nasty people” in this nasty business of counter-terrorism, and taking these suspects to let’s just say, El Salvador and letting those guys collect the information we need is exactly what the doctor ordered.
"It's convenient in the sense that it allows American policymakers and American politicians to avoid making hard decisions," he said. "It's very convenient. It's finding someone else to do your dirty work."
When he was asked the stupid question by CBS “60 Minutes” whether that makes the United States complicit in torture, Scheuer said, "You'll have to ask the lawyers."


Source: CNN
same difference

patriot act being used against common criminals. surprise surprise.
Since the passing of the Patriot Act now a pipe bomb is legally considered a "weapon of mass destruction". Methamphetamine and crack cocaine are now 'chemical weapons'. Apparently that's what we went to Iraq looking for pipe bombs and crack pipes.

Why Islamic Terrorist Have Lou
"We don't make a distinction between civilians and non-civilians, innocents and non-innocents. Only between Muslims and unbelievers. And the life of an unbeliever has no value. It has no sanctity."